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		<title>by: Follow up to how many (Irish) bloggers does it take to change a light bulb? at Piaras Kelly PR - Irish Public Relations</title>
		<link>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-14569</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 12:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Both Damien and Annette hit the nail on the head. Bloggers are self publishers and write about whatever they feel like. I&amp;#8217;ve pointed this out in the past. I write about public relations, Annette writes about her personal life and her consultancy and Damien pretty much writes about everything. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Both Damien and Annette hit the nail on the head. Bloggers are self publishers and write about whatever they feel like. I&#8217;ve pointed this out in the past. I write about public relations, Annette writes about her personal life and her consultancy and Damien pretty much writes about everything. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Matrix &#187; I Have See The Future Of Real Estate Journalism, And It Is Good</title>
		<link>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-8611</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 13:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-8611</guid>
					<description>[...] Remember: bloggers aren’t journalists, they’re publishers [Piaras Kelly PR]. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Remember: bloggers aren’t journalists, they’re publishers [Piaras Kelly PR]. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Josh, Graphic Designer, Berkeley CA</title>
		<link>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-2271</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-2271</guid>
					<description>Certainly we can discuss the impact blogging has on traditional media. But it's a bit premature to define a blogger in anything but general terms. A blogger is someone who engages in an instant public medium, that's it.

Maybe we can discuss the journalistic integrity of particular A-List bloggers but I doub't your average blogger is trying to be journalist or publisher. I think what's really going on is that when some doofus with strong opinions gets a million hits a day and gets profiled in Wired magazine or Red Herring, the journalists start crapping there pants and start ranting, ironically, on there blogs.

Your average blogger starts a blog out of curiosity or pressure. What's facitanating is what happens when you give a blogger  an audience. Everything changes. First a few timid posts, then a few comments, then a bunch of posts.... Then appologies for not posting!? Ah, the birth of a blogger. Then the pressure builds and here come the google ads and some donnation buttons ... bloggers learn as they go and the act of blogging changes the blogger. Blogging isn't journalism - its anarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly we can discuss the impact blogging has on traditional media. But it&#8217;s a bit premature to define a blogger in anything but general terms. A blogger is someone who engages in an instant public medium, that&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>Maybe we can discuss the journalistic integrity of particular A-List bloggers but I doub&#8217;t your average blogger is trying to be journalist or publisher. I think what&#8217;s really going on is that when some doofus with strong opinions gets a million hits a day and gets profiled in Wired magazine or Red Herring, the journalists start crapping there pants and start ranting, ironically, on there blogs.</p>
<p>Your average blogger starts a blog out of curiosity or pressure. What&#8217;s facitanating is what happens when you give a blogger  an audience. Everything changes. First a few timid posts, then a few comments, then a bunch of posts&#8230;. Then appologies for not posting!? Ah, the birth of a blogger. Then the pressure builds and here come the google ads and some donnation buttons &#8230; bloggers learn as they go and the act of blogging changes the blogger. Blogging isn&#8217;t journalism - its anarchy.
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		<title>by: Piaras</title>
		<link>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-2029</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-2029</guid>
					<description>You should have a sense of disclosure, but it's fairly obvious that a lot of bloggers don't.  I always try to be upfront when refering to a client or personal circumstances, but I've witnessed plenty 'high profile' bloggers that don't display much integrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should have a sense of disclosure, but it&#8217;s fairly obvious that a lot of bloggers don&#8217;t.  I always try to be upfront when refering to a client or personal circumstances, but I&#8217;ve witnessed plenty &#8216;high profile&#8217; bloggers that don&#8217;t display much integrity.
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		<title>by: kenji mori</title>
		<link>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-2019</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 03:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-2019</guid>
					<description>I am a marketer but I am not a journalist.  I don't want to be a journalist or don't want to be considered as one.  But seems the recent discussion about [disclosure] suggest that I have no choice.  That is, when you blog (publish) things, to me it seems that they are suggesting that I'd need to have some degree of journalistic sense, to disclose things when blogging. Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a marketer but I am not a journalist.  I don&#8217;t want to be a journalist or don&#8217;t want to be considered as one.  But seems the recent discussion about [disclosure] suggest that I have no choice.  That is, when you blog (publish) things, to me it seems that they are suggesting that I&#8217;d need to have some degree of journalistic sense, to disclose things when blogging. Right?
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		<title>by: Chris G</title>
		<link>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-2007</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 02:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-2007</guid>
					<description>Bloggers are more like editorialists or columnists.  Normally a blog has an opinion or two injected into the content, whereas I believe the traditional role of a journalist is somebody who reports the facts on something, with far less opinion trying to remain neutral.  A journalist is also somebody normally with good moral standards that could be trusted to tell the truth and not to be biased in their text.

Take John Dvorak of PCMAG - he's a well-conneted, witty, well-spoken, fairly intelligent blogger that gets paid well to write a weekly column.  He's been blogging years before it was called blogging.  My question is what's the future of paid journalism?  What's the future of PCMAG?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloggers are more like editorialists or columnists.  Normally a blog has an opinion or two injected into the content, whereas I believe the traditional role of a journalist is somebody who reports the facts on something, with far less opinion trying to remain neutral.  A journalist is also somebody normally with good moral standards that could be trusted to tell the truth and not to be biased in their text.</p>
<p>Take John Dvorak of PCMAG - he&#8217;s a well-conneted, witty, well-spoken, fairly intelligent blogger that gets paid well to write a weekly column.  He&#8217;s been blogging years before it was called blogging.  My question is what&#8217;s the future of paid journalism?  What&#8217;s the future of PCMAG?
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		<title>by: Blog Run  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Fire the Client, Bloggers are Publishers, Not Journalists and REAL Public Relations</title>
		<link>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-1969</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-1969</guid>
					<description>[...] John Wagner as well. As for me? I just like pretending I have bad hair to channel Donald. 	Piaras Kelly PR: Bloggers aren’t journalists, they’re publishers [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] John Wagner as well. As for me? I just like pretending I have bad hair to channel Donald. 	Piaras Kelly PR: Bloggers aren’t journalists, they’re publishers [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Piaras</title>
		<link>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-1968</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-1968</guid>
					<description>True again pete about posts being continually updated.

I don't think that we compare like with like though.  Bloggers get irate when they are tared and feathered with the same brush.  Obviously though we're not all raving mad lunatics.

The same goes for journalists though.  The death of mainstream media isn't coming anytime soon and there's a lot of journalists out there doing a good job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True again pete about posts being continually updated.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that we compare like with like though.  Bloggers get irate when they are tared and feathered with the same brush.  Obviously though we&#8217;re not all raving mad lunatics.</p>
<p>The same goes for journalists though.  The death of mainstream media isn&#8217;t coming anytime soon and there&#8217;s a lot of journalists out there doing a good job.
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		<title>by: peteb</title>
		<link>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-1967</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-1967</guid>
					<description>Piaras

The problem I have with the discussion about whether or not bloggers are journalists is that it's too ill-defined, both in regard to journalists and bloggers.

There are, according to Technorati, around 24 million blogs at this point in time.. the writing involved is varied - in subject, content and quality. From analysis to polemicists and pamphleteers, to fiction, to fantasy, to what some describe as human aggregators of news, to personal diaries... of course 99% don't take the time to analyse anything.

I can only speak for myself when it comes to blogging, I'd be a fool to do otherwise, I try to select reliable sources of information, fact-check it as much as possible against other outlets or archived news and then place that information into the context of other events.  Ocassionally I'll add more analysis, but I prefer to draw attention to links in other stories and other information that's already out there and allow the reader to make the connection.. that's just the way I do it.  Then I open what I've written to the criticism of others.

Some journalists, in contrast, and even with editorial oversight, prefer to simply report, as fact, what their, often anonymous, sources tell them.

The point is they're different beasts.

There's too wide and varied a field, in both sections of the media, to directly compare in the manner you're attempting, IMHO.

Btw.. I happen to agree that rushing to post on a breaking story can lead to problems.. but on a blog that post can be continually updated, corrected and refined.. unlike certain print journalists for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piaras</p>
<p>The problem I have with the discussion about whether or not bloggers are journalists is that it&#8217;s too ill-defined, both in regard to journalists and bloggers.</p>
<p>There are, according to Technorati, around 24 million blogs at this point in time.. the writing involved is varied - in subject, content and quality. From analysis to polemicists and pamphleteers, to fiction, to fantasy, to what some describe as human aggregators of news, to personal diaries&#8230; of course 99% don&#8217;t take the time to analyse anything.</p>
<p>I can only speak for myself when it comes to blogging, I&#8217;d be a fool to do otherwise, I try to select reliable sources of information, fact-check it as much as possible against other outlets or archived news and then place that information into the context of other events.  Ocassionally I&#8217;ll add more analysis, but I prefer to draw attention to links in other stories and other information that&#8217;s already out there and allow the reader to make the connection.. that&#8217;s just the way I do it.  Then I open what I&#8217;ve written to the criticism of others.</p>
<p>Some journalists, in contrast, and even with editorial oversight, prefer to simply report, as fact, what their, often anonymous, sources tell them.</p>
<p>The point is they&#8217;re different beasts.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s too wide and varied a field, in both sections of the media, to directly compare in the manner you&#8217;re attempting, IMHO.</p>
<p>Btw.. I happen to agree that rushing to post on a breaking story can lead to problems.. but on a blog that post can be continually updated, corrected and refined.. unlike certain print journalists for example.
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		<title>by: Piaras</title>
		<link>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-1966</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2006/0220/bloggers-arent-journalists-theyre-publishers/#comment-1966</guid>
					<description>Pete - I'd say 99% of bloggers don't take the time to analyze or verify their posts.  The urge to get the 'exclusive' is far greater than to report on something.  I do agree that how the information they publish is then opened up to feedback, debate and discussion is a fascinating aspect of blogging and it will be interesting to see how journalists incorporate social media

Michele - I think that you've got too much of a focus on tech journalism, rather than journalism as a whole.  Most journalists will take the time to shift through PR rather than just reprinting it.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete - I&#8217;d say 99% of bloggers don&#8217;t take the time to analyze or verify their posts.  The urge to get the &#8216;exclusive&#8217; is far greater than to report on something.  I do agree that how the information they publish is then opened up to feedback, debate and discussion is a fascinating aspect of blogging and it will be interesting to see how journalists incorporate social media</p>
<p>Michele - I think that you&#8217;ve got too much of a focus on tech journalism, rather than journalism as a whole.  Most journalists will take the time to shift through PR rather than just reprinting it.
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