Comments on: The Lisbon Treaty & The Yes Campaign - Communications Gone Wrong http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/ Irish Communications Consultant - Be Noticed Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:24:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Fundraising and marketing round-up at ask direct – fundraising and marketing for non-profits and charities http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/#comment-531949 Fundraising and marketing round-up at ask direct – fundraising and marketing for non-profits and charities Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:42:26 +0000 http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/#comment-531949 [...] Piaras and Richard Delevan both have good pieces on the appalling failures of the Yes to Lisbon campaign. Plenty of lessons for nonprofits: tell stories (about real people) and do it with passion and conviction. [...] [...] Piaras and Richard Delevan both have good pieces on the appalling failures of the Yes to Lisbon campaign. Plenty of lessons for nonprofits: tell stories (about real people) and do it with passion and conviction. [...]

]]> By: Piaras http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/#comment-382078 Piaras Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:49:19 +0000 http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/#comment-382078 Jer - The Jim Corr comment is directed at Paddy due to his tone. Also if you read both most posts you'll see that I am complimentary to the No Campaign, think it was really well run and despite the questions being raised about Libertas' funding I also think their participation was great for democracy in general. However, it is a valid to say that the Yes Campaign was not well run and contributed to their failure to win the referendum. The bigger issue out of all of this really is that a second referendum is going to be coming down the line in the next nine months. Even people who voted yes are wondering about the democratic aspects of it seeing as the electorate have already made their feelings known. Jer - The Jim Corr comment is directed at Paddy due to his tone.

Also if you read both most posts you’ll see that I am complimentary to the No Campaign, think it was really well run and despite the questions being raised about Libertas’ funding I also think their participation was great for democracy in general. However, it is a valid to say that the Yes Campaign was not well run and contributed to their failure to win the referendum.

The bigger issue out of all of this really is that a second referendum is going to be coming down the line in the next nine months. Even people who voted yes are wondering about the democratic aspects of it seeing as the electorate have already made their feelings known.

]]> By: Jer Ireland http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/#comment-382064 Jer Ireland Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:32:11 +0000 http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/#comment-382064 Piaras, its a bit too easy to tar the no side with the jim corr brush. Paddy's point is simply made and hardly 9/11esque. I am also amused by the people who say that the no side didnt win it was the yes side that lost. Thats a brilliant sentiment. heard similar statements that Obama didn't win the nomination hillary lost it. Piaras, its a bit too easy to tar the no side with the jim corr brush. Paddy’s point is simply made and hardly 9/11esque.

I am also amused by the people who say that the no side didnt win it was the yes side that lost. Thats a brilliant sentiment. heard similar statements that Obama didn’t win the nomination hillary lost it.

]]> By: Piaras http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/#comment-381514 Piaras Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:00:06 +0000 http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/#comment-381514 Hmm shades of Jim Corr me thinks. Hmm shades of Jim Corr me thinks.

]]> By: Paddy http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/#comment-381424 Paddy Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:41:56 +0000 http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/#comment-381424 The Yes campaign could not but offer platitudes - otherwise, they'd have to discuss the meat of the treaty, which clearly transforms the EU into a federal state, thus diminishing the sovereignty of member states. While you might prefer that (although you won't publicly admit it), many Irish people don't. The Yes campaign could not but offer platitudes - otherwise, they’d have to discuss the meat of the treaty, which clearly transforms the EU into a federal state, thus diminishing the sovereignty of member states. While you might prefer that (although you won’t publicly admit it), many Irish people don’t.

]]> By: Christian http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/#comment-379590 Christian Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:15:18 +0000 http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/#comment-379590 Thanks a lot for this blog article. I'm still trying to figure out why the Irish did what they did to the rest of us and this article at least helped a bit. I still don't understand why anybody would take on to vote – and votes no – if he didn't understand what the election was all about instead of reading some newspaper article in the first place. But then I don't understand why the message "If you want to change the EU, vote for the European Parliament, but give it some power first with Lisbon first" was so hard to convey either. Thanks a lot for this blog article. I’m still trying to figure out why the Irish did what they did to the rest of us and this article at least helped a bit. I still don’t understand why anybody would take on to vote – and votes no – if he didn’t understand what the election was all about instead of reading some newspaper article in the first place. But then I don’t understand why the message “If you want to change the EU, vote for the European Parliament, but give it some power first with Lisbon first” was so hard to convey either.

]]> By: Erin LaPorte http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/#comment-376619 Erin LaPorte Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:12:26 +0000 http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/#comment-376619 Some call this a "triumph of democracy." Sorry, this is utter poppycock! This is a minority of EU citizens in Ireland that have deprived that 18 other Member states of a treaty the ratified...The Irish deciding what treaties the Europe can and cannot have is the most undemocratic - and tyrannical practice there is... We should hope that Sarkozy and other European leaders go on with the radification process, as the Lisbon Treaty is needed for Europe, and 18 Member States have voted for it. Also, I, for one, would like to find out just who funded the "no" campaigners. The rest of Europe should be able to find out if the "no" campaign received funding from foreign sources, chiefly from the western side of the Atlantic. There are those in America that found the Lisbon Treaty a threat to the Atlantic Alliance and the "special relationship" between the US and UK. We should hope that the Lisbon Treaty is NOT dead and that the independent-from-NATO European defense and security plans go forward... A "no" vote against the Lisbon Treaty is a "yes" vote for the continuance of American dominance in Europe! Some call this a “triumph of democracy.” Sorry, this is utter poppycock! This is a minority of EU citizens in Ireland that have deprived that 18 other Member states of a treaty the ratified…The Irish deciding what treaties the Europe can and cannot have is the most undemocratic - and tyrannical practice there is… We should hope that Sarkozy and other European leaders go on with the radification process, as the Lisbon Treaty is needed for Europe, and 18 Member States have voted for it.

Also, I, for one, would like to find out just who funded the “no” campaigners. The rest of Europe should be able to find out if the “no” campaign received funding from foreign sources, chiefly from the western side of the Atlantic. There are those in America that found the Lisbon Treaty a threat to the Atlantic Alliance and the “special relationship” between the US and UK.

We should hope that the Lisbon Treaty is NOT dead and that the independent-from-NATO European defense and security plans go forward…
A “no” vote against the Lisbon Treaty is a “yes” vote for the continuance of American dominance in Europe!

]]> By: Piaras http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/#comment-376298 Piaras Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:24:06 +0000 http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/#comment-376298 I agree to an extent Michele. While the Yes Campaign failed to engage voters, the No Campaign was cleverly able to play upon their fears. Some of it was outlandish - Jim Corr and Coir - but others like Libertas were clever in their messaging, such as continually asking whether yes campaigners had read the text of the treaty. I agree to an extent Michele. While the Yes Campaign failed to engage voters, the No Campaign was cleverly able to play upon their fears. Some of it was outlandish - Jim Corr and Coir - but others like Libertas were clever in their messaging, such as continually asking whether yes campaigners had read the text of the treaty.

]]> By: Michele http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/#comment-376206 Michele Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:12:48 +0000 http://www.pkellypr.com/blog/2008/0616/the-lisbon-treaty-the-yes-campaign-communications-gone-wrong/#comment-376206 To be perfectly frank I don't think the NO vote was a success of the NO campaign, but more a failure of the YES campaign. Most people don't really understand how the EU works, so asking them to vote on anything related to it is going to cause issues and it is far too easy to confuse them with non-related rubbish To be perfectly frank I don’t think the NO vote was a success of the NO campaign, but more a failure of the YES campaign.
Most people don’t really understand how the EU works, so asking them to vote on anything related to it is going to cause issues and it is far too easy to confuse them with non-related rubbish

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